186. Do You Need a Routine? | No Stupid Questions
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Introduction and Question from Perfect Peter
- Question from Mike's brother Peter (neurosurgeon): How important is routine in life?
- Asks when routine is helpful vs harmful
- Notes tension between routine providing goal attainment vs feeling overly regimented
- Seeks advice on incorporating routine into life
Firm Routines Loosely Held Concept
- Mike introduces concept of "firm opinions loosely held" applied to routines
- Example: Friend has Friday 2pm weekly debrief routine with friends
- Productive element and friendship signaling
- Flexible enough to skip if on plane without stress
- Routines as "quasi non-negotiable" approaches to ensure important things happen
Habits vs Routines - The Neuroscience
- Habits studied more than routines in psychology
- Habits = brain on autopilot (Colin Camer, Caltech: "neural autopilot")
- Separate brain system for habits vs conscious decisions
- Continuum from pure habits → routines → plans based on advance planning
- Human brain efficiency: putting things on autopilot frees cognitive bandwidth
- People making every decision reactively live inefficiently
Angela's Personal Routines
- Weekly friend calls: Sue (Saturdays), Michelle (Sundays), Shani (Wednesdays)
- Combines talking and jogging
- 10+ year routine that transformed friendships
- Admits not naturally thoughtful (forgets birthdays) but routine preserved/enriched relationships
Habit Stacking/Piggybacking
- Concept from Katie Milkman and James Clear (Atomic Habits)
- Angela's examples:
- Gynecologist advice: Stack Kegel exercises with TV watching
- Physical therapy during toothbrushing (lunges, squats)
- Mike's example: Wall sits during toothbrushing (inconsistent execution)
- Requires existing routine to "stack" new behavior onto
Habit Formation Requirements
- Habits require repetition AND reward
- Behaviors migrate from "goal system" to "habit system" when consistently rewarded
- Prediction error important (Colin Camer): difference between expected vs actual reward
- Pain can prevent routine becoming full habit (wall sits example)
Year-Long Planning Structure
- Jesse Itzler's system: Year-defining event + 6 mini-adventures
- Mike's examples:
- 2022: Kilimanjaro hike
- 2023: Marathon completion
- Mini-adventures: Tennis tournaments, surfing trips
- Daily practice: 365 moments of awe (30-second minimum)
Morning Routines - The Cass Sunstein Exception
- Tony Robbins routine: 3 minutes each of breathing, gratitude, prayer, prioritization
- Most productive people have morning routines
- Exception: Cass Sunstein (50+ book author)
- No structured routine: woken by dogs, back to bed, coffee, donut
- Intrinsically driven to write, doesn't need external supports
- Morning routines as "tabula rasa" - fewer competing demands
Creativity and Order Connection
- Mason Curry's "Daily Rituals: How Artists Work"
- David Brooks: Order enables creativity and exploration
- Children, communities, and creatives all need predictable foundation
- Challenges stereotype of chaotic artistic lifestyle
- "Evicted" book example: Housing instability disrupts child development
Environmental Predictability and Cognitive Development
- Recent research: Predictable environments essential for cognitive control development
- Across species finding: orderly world needed for brain's "CEO" function
- Examples: Regular breakfast times, consistent adult behavior
- Parenting consistency correlates with child health, happiness, ethics
- Theory: Predictable environment incentivizes planning vs impulsive reactions
Flexibility vs Routine Trade-offs
- Flexibility as cost of routine/habit
- Brain conservative about autopilot behaviors
- Colin Camer: Prediction error drives habit formation
- Junk food example: Low prediction error makes habits sticky
- Study with Crisis Text Line volunteers:
- Control: "Some hours weekly" to reach 200 hours/year
- Rigid: 4 hours every week
- Flexible: 8 hours every 2 weeks
- Both goal conditions increased volunteering 8%
- Flexible condition showed more enduring benefits
Self vs Other Decision-Making
- Sydney Scott & Eleanor Williams (WashU) study
- People want flexibility for themselves but recommend structure for others
- When thinking about others: use head/logic
- When thinking about self: use gut/feelings
- Life hack: Plan own routines as if planning for someone else
Closing Advice
- Routines are beneficial with built-in flexibility
- "Strong routines loosely held" approach
- Use third-party perspective for routine decisions
- Routines breed intentionality in life